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Steam user almost loses $1800 worth of software due to ban
Posted: 15.03.2011 00:40 by JonahFalcon Comments: 21
A user's Steam account was permanently disabled because he attempted to sell his account, preventing his access to 149 games that SteamCalculator says were worth a total of $1794.52.

According to the Steam subscriber agreement, a person's account is subject to ban if they attempted to sell the account: "You are entitled to use the Software for your own use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve."

When the user asked Steam support if he'd been permanently disabled, they replied coldly, "Correct, you lose access to your account permanently for violating our Subscriber Agreement." Thus, nearly $1800 worth of product was made inaccessible to him.

Bluesnews, the source of the story, attempted to contact Valve for comment, but failed. However, later in the day, a post on the Steam Users' Forums from Valve stated: "The article doesn't mention that the account has been re-enabled." No reason was given for the reinstatement, but Valve could conceivably have been trying to head off negative publicity.

Regardless, this raises a serious issue with services like Steam: you don't own the game. Rather, you're more or less renting it for an indeterminate time til Valve decides for whatever reason you don't own it anymore.

There used to be a time you could sell your boxed game to another person - box, manual, disc, and so on - and it was perfectly legal. Those days are over - at least until EULA's are outlawed.
Source: Bluesnews

Comments

By djole381 (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
djole381
He wouldn't have been in this situation if he bought physical copies. Serves him right for putting his trust into a system that can take away his own property.
And people wonder why piracy is so widespread...
By markcocjin (SI Newbie) on Mar 15, 2011
markcocjin
"The article doesn't mention that the account has been re-enabled.

Closing thread."

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21251798&postcount=15
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
JonahFalcon
Yeah, the article didn't mention it because YOU JUST DID IT. lulz

"And people wonder why piracy is so widespread..."

If piracy wasn't widespread, you wouldn't have this kind of BS. Don't confuse causality.
By Kres (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
Kres
Thing is, Steam needs to pay for the bandwidth again for ALL those games. Problem is that Steam is paying for servers that are hosting and distributing files. And those aren't free.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
JonahFalcon
You can play Steam games offline.
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Mar 15, 2011
K3Spice
WOW that must suck to be him.
By Eversor (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
Eversor
@ Kres. IT would be at least cheaper if they had their own servers.
By PowerJack (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
PowerJack
And again all I have to say is digital sucks, physical rulez.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Mar 15, 2011
JonahFalcon
Not when you can get games for $3-10. :) I don't buy full, new retail games with Steam, just older ones on sale.
By Eversor (SI Elite) on Mar 16, 2011
Eversor
This bot needs to go.
By nocutius (SI Elite) on Mar 16, 2011
nocutius
This is what sucks about digital, you don't really own anything.

I only have a few games on Steam which i only buy when they are on sale. And reality checks like this one sure don't encourage me to buy any more full price steam games.

It's still more convenient than going to the store though.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Mar 17, 2011
herodotus
So you only own personal access to games featured by Steam, not the games themselves (even though you do). Severe backlash, he we come! At least with D2D you get to dowload the game and save it to hard disk or disc for future installs (no second download necessary)...unless it is linked to Steam, that is.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Mar 17, 2011
JonahFalcon
GoG gives you games with no DRM.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Mar 17, 2011
herodotus
Very true, Jonah and you keep the game as with D2D and Green Man Gaming (a site with excellent prices for Aussies). With the latter there is no more $90 for a A+++ titles as with Steam for Australians ($90 for "TW: Shogun 2" and "Homefront" - pah!!!).
By Pototox (SI Core Member) on Mar 17, 2011
Pototox
WTF?????
So where is private property?
That is a constitutional right... but that term of agreement violates it... a contract cant be over a constitutional right...
Rly hope that Steam go in bankrupt soon or that kind of ++++ dissapear in the short time...
digital sux balls... always go retail...
By JMR (SI Newbie) on Mar 17, 2011
JMR
That's why I never use steam. Physical is better
By Gyorn (SI Core) on Mar 18, 2011
Gyorn
Always good to get a reminder now and then why i dont like Steam...
I wonder what would have happened if the user had sued them. I know that at least in Germany large parts of EULAs are nothing more than a waste of pixels that would have no value in front of a court. Anyone can tell me about US law?
I guess one could argue that "they didnt state that i only rent the game".
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Mar 18, 2011
FoolWolf
Always good to have your facts straight when you get into something. Games bought on STEAM are games never to be sold again, never to be had and tradable as other games. If you are OK with that - STEAM is a great service - if not. Try to stay physical - but now adays most PC games are just coasters. You have to activate or tie with a login name - and the game isn't going to be a second hand market item any more. Also, CD's and DVD age - one day those won't be able to play or install from either. Old games with StarForce on them isn't on the top of things I want to shug into the drive and spin up...
There is a very delicate balance of waging money on a timed experience IMHO when it comes to games.
By Azsinistar (SI Veteran Newbie) on Mar 18, 2011
Azsinistar
Actually I use Impulse instead of steam because you can archive and burn everything you purchase. so dont blame digital distribution, blame the distributor if you cant make your own copies and play them.
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Mar 18, 2011
FoolWolf
There is a possibility to store STEAM locally as well, and STEAM also have a promise that if they go out of play - they will make every game available to download and store. Don't know how that would work in reality now since they have so many games that now requires third party logins or accounts and etc..
By Azsinistar (SI Veteran Newbie) on Mar 20, 2011
Azsinistar
I think the major difference for most titles is that impulse is not required to be running to play the game.