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Crytek: Next console gen should have 8GB RAM
Posted: 18.04.2011 08:26 by Comments: 23
In an interview, when the subject of console versions of Crysis 2 came up, Crytek expressed a desire that whatever comes in the next generation of consoles, they would like the machines to have 8GB of RAM. The PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 currently have 512MB of RAM.

"My finger-pointing at Microsoft/Sony would really be on the memory side," stated Crytek dev Tiago Sousa. "It's way too low, and the biggest crippling factor from a visual perspective."

While increasing the RAM sixteen-fold in the new few years might be asking too much of Microsoft and Sony, Sousa did praise Sony and Microsoft for their developer support, admitting that Crysis 2 was only possible on those consoles thanks to toolkits that allowed Crytek to wring "as much performance as possible from the fixed architecture."

There is no official word on any 8th generation console from Sony or Microsoft, though there are rampant rumors about a next-gen Wii console.
Source: Kotaku

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By Revan (SI Elite) on Apr 18, 2011
Revan
Hmm, good idea.
By Zvezdalina (SI Veteran Member) on Apr 18, 2011
Zvezdalina
This is a great idea! I'm excited! :-D
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Apr 18, 2011
FoolWolf
Yes, great idea - say with all the updates necessary how about making the console into a computer concept instead? The XBLM or PSN and how it works could be some sort of OS that has a stricter component requisit, and then just sell some ordinary computers as the "official" versions - like MAC - and then you can get hardware guys to mark their newest gadgets with XBL; OS and PSN OS - qualified...
That was, you can dual boot into whatever you need - and shake out those consoles for games that it suits and keep mouse+keyboard where it counts ;)
By Xyfer117 (SI Core) on Apr 18, 2011
Xyfer117
8GB of ram would definitley make the consoles a hell of a lot more powerful than they are now, sounds good to me!
By Gyorn (SI Core) on Apr 18, 2011
Gyorn
FoolWolf, that would beat one of the 2 only pros consoles have (compared to PCs): Not having to care about hardware at all.
Besides, i think they should get 8GB at least. My current rig has 8GB and consoles at release always sport up to date hardware. So i would expect even more from new consoles.
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Apr 18, 2011
K3Spice
Slow down there. We are talking about next gen consoles. When the current gen of consoles came out 512 MB was about standard for most computers. I think they should have a minimum 12GB of RAM (especially if its shared). 8GB then could be like 2GB now. IMHO 24GB of RAM will be needed (shared). You need to factor in everything and then add some. Resolutions should be increasing, thus more VRAM will be needed to compensate for the textures. Having extra RAM will allow for a bulky but capable operating system. You can never be too prepared for the future...
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Apr 18, 2011
FoolWolf
Problem is Gyorn that more and more that is the fav of consoles is disappearing anyway. Games go streaming or STEAM for consoles - then what? Just slot in and play - uh uh no more - oh and yeah - you will need a bigger HD for that and a kick ass connection. You buy, and you download like a PC. Controller? The best controllers work flawlessly for PC's as well - as long as the developers just add controller support...
Not having to guess the problem of hardware - well if we are unlucky - we won't own anything soon enough while we stream-play everything in Go-Live like set-ups or play through the browser...
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 18, 2011
herodotus
Should be 16GB, as that's what PC's will be needing by then as a basic read. M$ is working hard on Windows 8, it must be remembered.
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Apr 19, 2011
K3Spice
herodotus RAM for PCs is not shared with the graphics card...
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 19, 2011
herodotus
Huh? I wasn't talking anything about the GPU sharing RAM in a PC. I'm afraid you've lost me, K3...
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Apr 19, 2011
K3Spice
RAM in consoles is shared. That 512MB goes towards the game engine, game textures, and the operating system for the console. PCs do not use this method. RAM in PCs are not used for textures. If PCs will need that much in the future, than a console will need a bit more. This extra RAM would be for the textures of a video game. Does that help clarify what I was trying to say?
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 19, 2011
herodotus
I get you now. I haven't really looked into the architecture of the current consoles. My apologies.
Looking at Windows 7, it has a requirement of 4GB RAM to run properly, and 8 to get the most out of high spec games (at Max settings).
With Windows 8, I'm sure the ante will be raised again.
I'll be interested to see what they do eventually do with the next gen of consoles.
By Gyorn (SI Core) on Apr 19, 2011
Gyorn
FoolWolf, thats what probably will happen in the furtue. However if we hit that point there will be no point in consoles and they will disappear (in my opinion). After all why should you buy a console if you can get the same + some additional possibilities by getting a PC?
Right now its only about usability: Start -> Play and not caring about hardware problems. Take those aways and the days of consoles are over.
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Apr 19, 2011
FoolWolf
@ Gyorn - I agree!

At K3Spice and Hero - Win 7 and Vista actually share memory between GPU and RAM - or rather the GPU steals RAM to write to - that's why a 64 bit system with loads of RAM will get you that much value for your money - at least considering RAM. (this article explains that bit better: http://goo.gl/2AT9S )
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Apr 19, 2011
K3Spice
I have noticed that personally. It only allocates the RAM that cannot be used by your OS to the GPU only if you are running 32bit and have more then 3.2GB of RAM. The RAM you have installed in your computer is very slow compared to the VRAM on your GPU. Thus if you were to substitute the VRAM on your GPU for the RAM for the OS and programs you would have texture loading issues, along with decreased bandwidth for your GPU. This is why the RAM in consoles is very fast, it has to be used for the GPU as well. There are also no benefits of your OS allocating that extra RAM to your GPU from what I have noticed. Adding RAM or VRAM only allows you to store more information at once. 64bit OS do not share RAM with the GPU, as the OS allows that extra RAM to be used by programs not by the GPU. I have had win7, winxp, and winvista both in 32bit and 64 bit. The gaming performance in all of these OS have ups and downs between the 32bit and 64bit. Sometimes the 64bit outperforms the 32bit, but not all the time.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 20, 2011
herodotus
Except for the case of "IL-2: Cliffs of Dover" where it is stated by the Devs (at 1C Publishing) that upgrading your OS from XP 32-bit to Win 7 64-bit, and NOT your GPU will increase performance substantially.
I'm in agreement with you, K3 on the differences bewteen 32 and 64-bit as "DCS: A-10C Warthog" is written for 64-bit systems and has significant problems for 32-bit users. I've had a struggle, and that was the reply from Tech Support.
I am upgrading the lot to be sure.
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Apr 20, 2011
FoolWolf
I went from 32 bit Vista to 64 bit Win 7 and haven't regretted that move one single time! Don't even miss Win XP even ;)
By Xyfer117 (SI Core) on Apr 20, 2011
Xyfer117
I'm still with XP! I'm still not ready to move on... :P
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 20, 2011
herodotus
Better hurry - support for XP will end in ther near future:)
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Apr 20, 2011
K3Spice
^True, but windows 8 will be out within 2 years... maybe even a year from now?
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 21, 2011
herodotus
Let's just hope that Win8 won't just be a psuedo-upgraded system as Vista turned out to be. Then again, development of Win8 is being developed under the watchful eye of the FBI, or so initial reports stated. Curious.
By K3Spice (SI Core) on Apr 21, 2011
K3Spice
What!? Really? Its being developed with the FBI watching? I got to google this...
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Apr 21, 2011
herodotus
That's what they said in the first news announcements. Don't know if it's still going on:)