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Dead Island banned in Germany
Posted: 05.12.2011 07:06 by Comments: 58
Germany has predictably banned Dead Island due to excessive violence, and neither developer Techland nor publisher Deep Silver particularly care.

"This isn't unexpected," Techland revealed in an media statement, "Germany has its unique regulations regarding video games and violence and the industry can only comply. Both Deep Silver and Techland were aware of such a possibility from the very beginning."

According to the Federal Department of Media Harmful to Young Persons, Dead Island is classified as a "List B" game, which means it is "youth-endangering media", usually reserved for media depicting "extreme torture or Nazi content". Dead Island can't be sold in Germany legally, and may be seized by German customs if gamers attempt to import it.

The publisher did get around the German laws by distributing the game in Austria, which doesn't have the same stringent game laws. "We did not distribute or sell Dead Island in Germany. The intention was to bring the game to the international markets, as the product seems to be better suitable for audiences abroad," said the publisher in a statement.
Source: Eurogamer

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By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 05, 2011
herodotus
Yet other violent games get through. It's about as random as here in AussieLand.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 05, 2011
SirRoderick
German customs?....there's this thing called the EU, Germany has open borders. If gamers try to drive in with a trunk full of copies, they will be absolutely fine....hmmm, is there a market there you think? :P
By obiwanmccartney (SI Veteran Newbie) on Dec 05, 2011
obiwanmccartney
Get it together Germany. Although, being American, I'd gladly trade our violence-positive/anti-sex society for your sex-positive/anti-violence one :P But ideally we would all be free to have both.
By YouriRevenn (SI Veteran Member) on Dec 05, 2011
YouriRevenn
Hmm Germany.. the land of the hardest porn ever.. xD
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 05, 2011
herodotus
Well, the hardest "Up yer bum chum" porn anyway:)

....or so I've heard....
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 05, 2011
SirRoderick
Don't worry hero, that fooled them.
By SiyaenSokol (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
SiyaenSokol
I don't get it... why not just put something like proof of age when buying a game? I mean it doesn't make any sense banning the game, because that is begging for piracy.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
SirRoderick
They're Germans, they have a history of overreacting.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 06, 2011
herodotus
Where violence, war and war-guilt are involved, the German Gov't is very, very sensitive. 21st Century Angela....grow up, grow a pair and move on.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
SirRoderick
I guess the whole "mindless zombie" thing hits pretty close to home.
By stuntkid (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
stuntkid
sure thing indeed
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
JonahFalcon
@Chosen_One: Which is why Nazi imagery is bannable as well.
By nocutius (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
nocutius
It's a pretty pointless ban, it's not like you cant order it across the border or use a vpn to buy online.
Banning things only makes them more interesting, especially so to kids.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 06, 2011
herodotus
No, they ban things like the swastika being presented in any media (which of course includes games). Stupid, I feel as it is more an historical detail rather than a rallying beacon for skinheads.

Don't know about anyone else, but I've read about and then studied this field for the better part of 40 years. Did my graduate thesis on Pearl Harbour.

Stalin and the Communist Party, to me and many historians were the bigger killers when compared with Hitler and the Nazis (the latter fell out of favour when they invaded France). The Nazis just happened to be opposed to the future plans of the Allies. Most folk forget that Poland was invaded by Germany AND Soviet Russia and carved up between them (the latter committing the atrocity at Katyn in 1940 - puts the atrocity at Malmedy in 1944 to shame).
1/ GB wanted in the war to save the British Empire, not Poland.
2/ USA wanted in to have a share of Europe and a governing control over it's future (hence it's late entry on this very day in 1941).

*For those interested, the Soviets executed approx. 22,000 Polish officers at Katyn (all PoW's) in 1940.
This is not to be confused with the Nazi massacre of Khatyn (1943) where 149 Belarusian civilians, including 75 children were driven into a shed which was then set on fire. Anyone who managed to break free was machine gunned down. Altogether, 2,230,000 people were killed in Belarus during the three years of Nazi occupation, about a quarter of the country's population.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 06, 2011
herodotus
Hitler and Stalin agreed to attack Poland together and the British and French reluctantly agreed to honour their treaty and declare war (very reluctantly).
I've studied The Great Patriotic War equally along with the Western Front, however it was a war quite separate to the goals and needs of the rest of the world. It's almost as if two different World Wars were being fought concomitantly.
Don't forget The Warsaw Uprising in 1944. The Polish Resistance knew the Soviets were at the gates of Warsaw and believing they would join in, rose up against the Nazi occupied forces. The Soviets instead sat still and watched the slaughter that resulted. Then they moved in and "liberated" Warsaw (replacing the Polish Army with Soviet Divisions dressed in Polish uniforms).

Sorry Chosen, I am not denigrating Mother Russia, and Stalingrad in 1943 is still considered the largest battle of WWII (the Russian Army took on the Germans who occupied 90% of the city and won). Don't forget, however that the Russian Partisans who fought behind the lines against the Nazi invader were arrested by Stalin after the war an many were executed or imprisoned. His paranoia led him to believe that if they would rebel against the Germans they were a danger to him.

When the Germans first invaded in 1940, Stalin hid in his Dachau for three days refusing to answer the phone. When the Party came knocking on his door he believed they were going to arrest him. Pity they didn't.
Over 20,000,000 Russians died in WWII but just how many were killed on the orders of Stalin, as opposed to the Germans?

The Russian War was one of tragedy and triumph. Stalin's history is one of paranoia, ignorance and slaughter.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
SirRoderick
I completely agree with hero on that one. The Russian side almost always gets ignored and it should not.
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 06, 2011
bosnian_dragon
Herodotus is 100% right. I read about WW2 a lot, and there are so many facts that put Stalin into a position of a war criminal rather than a hero.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 06, 2011
SirRoderick
Actually I dare say nearly none that put him in a position of a hero. Plenty of serving men, officers and the like.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 06, 2011
herodotus
Roosevelt was not the hero either, as I explained in detail in my thesis on Pearl Harbour where I proved (though obviously not conclusively) that this was no surprise attack by the Japanese. The surprise was on Admiral Husband E. Kimmel (Commander of the Pacific Fleet based at Pearl).
So many coincidences, so many intercepts being "lost", the fact that General George C. Marshall (Chief of the Armed Forces) happened to go horse riding that Sunday morning (and only that one Sunday in his entire military life - out of contact).
Marshall's statement to his staff when officially informed of the news of the atack:
"Gentlemen. This goes to the grave with us".
Which staffers he was speaking to, noone knows to this day.
Then of course there are the Magic Intercepts (all of which I have read for this period - 3 volumes); broken japanese code transmissions.
The message to the Japanese Consulate in Washington letting them know which atack would commence (Pearl Harbour or The Phillipines) would come in the weather report:
"Hikaze no Kazeame" - "East Wind Rain" meant Pearl.
"West Wind Rain" meant The Phillipines.
A Lieutenant, now dead recorded the interception of the "East Wind Rain" message and took it to his superior. The Major who received it stated:
"It's in. It's Pearl".
The Lieutenant assumed Kimmel would be alerted but when ending his shift he checked back with the Major who simply answered:
"What message?".

Bottom line, I guess: the war is still a very, very controversial mess to this day.
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 07, 2011
bosnian_dragon
Yep. It could be that the war industry was eager to enter the war, because their profits were more important than peace. And, US presidential candidates are always "sponsored" by such corporations, only to demand war declarations and such "favors" once the candidate gets elected. It's what happened with Obama right now. The guy who sponsors him is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the very same man who was involved in installing the Taliban regime in Afghanistan during the Cold War.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 07, 2011
herodotus
Roosevelt needed a way into the war (70% of the nation was opposed to joining the conflict - they'd become very insular since the Depression). The Japanese Empire gave him that way in....and he took it.
Obama is like a reed in the shallows. He bends with each and every turn of the wind (the Political wind), an regrettably I believe he knows it. So much for ideals.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 07, 2011
SirRoderick
Ideals are the one way to ensure you will never be elected these days.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 07, 2011
SirRoderick
I have to balk at the part where you make it out as if the Sovjets were being altruistic in "liberating" Europe. First of all they wouldn't have been able to take the rest of Europe anyway, not without somehow circumventing all the Western troops then present and of course declaring war on the US, which is never a good idea.

Secondly, they didn't liberate anyone. Anything they could get their hands on was muscled into the USSR. Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary etc. Those people never had a choice in the matter, it was de-facto annexation.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Dec 07, 2011
JonahFalcon
"so..they ban WWII games too???"

No. Developers simply replace the swastika with the less politically volatile Iron Cross.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 07, 2011
SirRoderick
And was nearly devastated all across....
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 07, 2011
herodotus
I'll resist the urge to wax on about history here (once started, it'hard for me to stop talking endlessly about it).
Hitler made one very, very serious mistake. He underestimated the Russian people, whom he and the Nazi Party deemed "sub-human", the racists that they were. Many towns and villages welcomed German troops with open arms as liberators from Stalin initially. Had he persisted with "the winning of hearts and minds" (a US Army term I loathe) the outcome could very well have been different.
One thing, though Chosen. Stalin was paranoid about assassination yet there is not one document that supports any serious attempt on his life was ever planned or made. Other Party members, well that's a different story but it was ironically Stalin who planned those assassinations.
During the war some Party members and Generals still remember the nightly staff meetings with Stalin where his mood was volatile. He would sit silently listening to the general chatter, puffing on his pipe, then suddenly spring up and demand a certain officer start doing the Cossack dance to a record playing. If that officer hesitated he would suddenly find himself as the leader of a Penal Battalion on the front (the guys who ran forward into machine gun fire to allow the main army to spot the German positions).
With the Allies he was just as ruthless and paranoid, setting Roosevelt against Churchill at every turn. The infamous loss of Convoy PQ17 to Russia from Britain (where a scare about the supposed presence of the battleship "Tirpitz" caused the convoy to scatter and subsequently be destroyed by U-Boats and Condors) is a well documented tragedy. Stalin accusing Britain of creating "this fiction" as an excuse for not sending him "his" supplies.

Sorry, I'll stop. Bloody History....I love it:)
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 07, 2011
bosnian_dragon
Maybe it's like that because Hitler was talked about for the past 60 years, I believe the time has come to talk about other criminals of the WW2 and the Cold War, including Stalin and some Allied leaders and commanders. Just remember what happened to all those civilians who were trapped in Siberian wasteland, or that were executed all over the Soviet supervised countries. Stalin knew all about it, and he did nothing to stop it, he probably even encouraged such actions against anyone who didn't agree with his way of ruling.
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 07, 2011
bosnian_dragon
And who could ignore the Atomic bomb attack on Japan in 1945 by the Allies, or the indiscriminate bombing of Dresden in Germany? Those are some clear examples of war crimes against German civilians by the Allies who later claimed that they "saved" Germans from Nazism. I mean, you can't spread democracy through violence. It's what's happening right now all across the Middle East, the NATO alliance is still doing the same effort: "spreading democracy through carpet bombing".

I just hate how history repeats every few decades, and people always tend to forget tragedies. But we're really into some serious business here, writing novels about human history, I think we should all just go to some forum and continue our smart talks there :p

Peace to all!
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 08, 2011
herodotus
Arthur Harris (Chief of Bomber Command and architect of Dresden) has indeed been listed as a War Criminal by many today. It's a grey area for some, with his view being the firebombing of cities as waging total war on Germany (as the Luftwaffe did with it's bombings of London and Sheffield). However Over 60,000 civilians died in Dresden alone, while 50,000 were killed in the entire London Blitz.
The holocaust unleashed on Dresden had no strategic or tactical advantage whatsoever for the Americans or the British. Dresden was one of the most beautiful cities in Germany, dubbed the "Florence of the Elbe" because of its world-renowned collection of Baroque architecture. It was known as a showplace of culture. It had no military bases, no major communication centers or heavy industry. It had no air defense. In the last months of the war, it was known as "Die Lazarettstadt" - it had been declared a hospital town. It was also known as the "Fluechtlingsstadt" - the City of the Refugees.
The bombing Of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - well the estimates of losses for US Marines for an attack on the Japanese Main Islands were listed at 1 million so again they were faced with a dilemma. To invite the Japanese to a demonstration of the Atomic Bomb prior to dropping it has been argued for, yet again: what if it failed, or failed to make an impression?
Should Roosevelt be listed as a war criminal for allowing Pearl Harbour to occur (if you agree that it was indeed a known attack)?
Should Churchill be held accountable for, along with Roosevelt allowing the Soviets free reign in post-war Europe, knowing the atrocities that might be committed? Should he be condemned for being fully aware of the Jewish Concentration Camps and indeed not doing anything about it (many World Leaders silently let this atrocity occur). Remember this was not the first time the Jews were treated this way, as it was indeed the English who began the whole yellow badge on a plain uniform (only it was a yellow circle, not a star) in 1396. They were taken from their homes and put on barges on the Thames, allowed to step off to stretch their legs and then were left on the banks of the Thames as the tide rose and drowned them all.

Sorry for sounding one-sided Chosen I was simply referring to Stalin. Don't get me started on the other ones:)
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 08, 2011
herodotus
Ps. The Japanese only recently allowe the Pacific War to be taught in school (abeit to a limited degree). However the "Rape of Nanking" is still denied, and is taught as a period of Liberation and Assistance for the Chinese. I could tell you stories about what went on there, but they really are hideous.
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 08, 2011
bosnian_dragon
I'm watching The Pacific these days, it's quite a good TV show, it describes the USMC very well. Arrogant and sadistic, and brave at the same time.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 08, 2011
SirRoderick
With plenty of cursing I'm sure. :)
By Battlefield_Ninga (I just got here) on Dec 08, 2011
Battlefield_Ninga
Hey all i have to say something here because i am mostly German but i was born in Britain (kind of ironic) my great grandfather was a Nazi officer and it is the one thing that my family never talks about. On remembrance day we don't step a foot outside our door. 3 reasons. We all have German accents 2. My father still to this day does is still a Nazi follower. 3. Our whole neighborhood knows us and what we are so we would get probably killed (Seriously). I have never and will never believe in Nazism i know of everything that the Nazis did and it terrifies me to even think of why we would be so downright stupid to vote in (Very many ways i could talk about him but ill be nice) Hitler.
I and probably the whole of Germany wish we could put our history behind us but we cant i wish we would figure that out sooner rather than later. About 99% of germany do not believe in what we did but there are the 1% idiots out there (my father) who believe in it and would say the grim words (SH) to every one they saw and they ruin our nations pride to know that we still think of those days and still think that they ghastly things were right to do. I have been rambling on for quite a bit and i could say much more but i wont i will say this though. I personally apologies for the events of our past and for the horrors that we committed and i wish that you could see Germany for what it is today (A PISSHOLE) a strong nation of people and economy that will hopefully never go back to the days of You know who.
By nocutius (SI Elite) on Dec 11, 2011
nocutius
ALL nations have that 1-2% of nazis, they are just called under different names. It's a regular tribe mentality of us versus them, with us being great and just and them being lower life forms that have no right to complain or fight back.

You have people openly carrying a real nazi flag in in the land of the free - the USA, even worse you have nazis in Russia and other east European countries a.k.a. the prime target of the actual nazis, the countries that have actually experienced what nazis can do first hand when given the chance.

As far as i'm concerned Germany is clear of their past sins, they have dealt with their past openly without hiding or shying away. A real contrast to Italy which did the opposite and often consider themselves the victims of WW2.

So hurray for Germany, EU would have sunk a long ago time without them.
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 11, 2011
bosnian_dragon
You're right about that Nocutius, every nation has at least 1-2% of those scum. In some countries there are even more, but they don't go under that name.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 11, 2011
herodotus
Here in Australia while we have no outright Nazi Party, we did have the One Nation Party which was pretty damn close.
The leader had been the owner of a Fish and Chip shop (Pauline Hanson) and her ideas appealed to a frightening number of Australians (mostly all country folk, who can be very, very stuck in their ways - White Australia, and all that). The White Australia Policy was re-imagined by the Party.
Thankfully they were shot down (eventually), but Hanson is still around and the knowledge that many Australians are still quite racist is disturbing.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 11, 2011
SirRoderick
Same in Belgium, "Vlaams Belang" is basically the Flemish fundamentalist seperatists. The reason why we should do that? Basically because the guys in the South speak French
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 12, 2011
herodotus
We have a serious situation here with "boat people", many fleeing Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Burma (you name it) and they attempt to come here in boats (run by teenage, so non-prosecutable human traffickers).
On the one side many want them kept in detention centres (or just sent back), and the other more populist movement (ones I like to call "the bleeding hearts and liberals", who will get us all killed one day) demand community integration while awaiting their Visas.
The trouble is, many have serious criminal backgrounds, the reasons they are fleeing are not always honest, they have been banned from other countries like GB and lastly and most importantly, they often bring their hatreds and hard-core Religious beliefs with them. The latter can be seen when Sharia Law is implemented OVER Australian Law.
It's utter madness, and Mutli-Culturalism is getting way out of control here. Cities are dividing into cultural hotspots, the Community Services are not receiving additional funding, and most importantly the new arrivals are often receiving more assistance than Citizens.
This bleeding hearts attitiude will bite the hand that feeds as surely as night follows day.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 12, 2011
SirRoderick
Immigration...ugh. That is one discussion that will ruin any party. In theory I'm fine with letting people come and go as they please, based on a reasonable set of ground rules and encouraged integration....but in practice, as you say, many of these Marrocans(sp?) and Turks that come to our country...well there's a reason they left their country and it aint war. Some of them are perfectly respectable people, but most are downright criminal by my standards. And even the decent people, their kids get swept up by the more questionable youth and adults.

The problem is that all these people tend to stick with their own kind, understandably so, but that only makes sure that ths cycle of street-youth almost never gets broken and that you end up with a massive immigrant "lower class" as the Brits would dub it. I almost never see a Marrocan or a Turk that looks like he wouldn't threaten me with a knife in an alley and demand all my money. It's disheartening really.
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 12, 2011
bosnian_dragon
You know, immigration laws should be strict - no one should be allowed to live in a foreign country unless he has a guaranteed job or something like that. But it would require the Western countries to do their part as well: they should stop bombing third world countries, and stop taking the resources and bullying smaller nations. This immigration thing was started by the Europeans in the medieval age after all. They imported slaves and in the end, they had colonies all over the world which were treated as parts of their kingdoms. That allowed people who lived in those colonies to have easier access to their rulers country. See what happened in France, there are so many Algerians living in France, just because Algiers was their colony. Europeans stole the resources from African and many Asian countries, I guess it's time for payback :D

P.S. It's Sharia law, not Shiara.

P.P.S. Being an European myself, I'm proud that my country didn't have a chance to colonize any other land in the past. We always minded our own business, but many others wanted to have this piece of land, and of course, they failed.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Dec 12, 2011
SirRoderick
We tend to go WAAAAAAY OT on this site :D
By nocutius (SI Elite) on Dec 12, 2011
nocutius
We weren't completely off topic, we were talking about zombies (nazis) and also a little bit about an island (UK) :)
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 12, 2011
herodotus
...and cake.

PPPs. I know it's Sharia Law, but me and my typing too quickly and not checking my spelling often gets me into dyslexic trouble.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 12, 2011
herodotus
Besides, is "Dead Island" really worth talking about anyway?
By bosnian_dragon (SI Core) on Dec 13, 2011
bosnian_dragon
Hahah :p sorry Herodotus, I am a grammar Nazi... See, we were not OT that much :D
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 13, 2011
herodotus
Might get it on a Steam Slae. It's 50% off on GG, but they can do better than $15 surely.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Dec 13, 2011
herodotus
...woops, there goes my typing again. Just for you, Bosnian.
By SiyaenSokol (SI Elite) on Dec 16, 2011
SiyaenSokol
I need a buddy for that one. Between my friends list and I, I am the only one playing Dead Island.