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Devs: BioWare "right" to keep Mass Effect 3 endings as they are
Posted: 21.03.2012 09:40 by Comments: 19
During a Q&A at the Smithsonian, Irrational's Ken Levine and Mythic's creative director Paul Barnett each stated that BioWare had no need to change the ending of Mass Effect 3, regardless of the fan response.

This came in response to a fan asking the duo what they thought of the backlash by the community to the ending of Mass Effect 3.


If computer games are art than I fully endorse the author of the artwork to have a statement about what they believe should happen, Barnett said. Just as J.K. Rowling can end her books and say that is the end of Harry Potter. I dont think she should be forced to make another one.

Levine added that he didn't think a changed ending would satisfy fans anyway, since it came at an important moment," adding I think if those people got what they wanted and (BioWare) wrote their ending they would be very disappointed in the emotional feeling they got because they didnt really create it."

I think this whole thing is making me a little bit sad because I dont think anyone would get what they wanted if that happened, he continued.

A current fan-led fundraising effect to change the ending has reached $74,000.
Source: VG247

Comments

By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Mar 21, 2012
SirRoderick
I haven't played the game myself yet, but seriously though, how bad could this ending possibly be?! I'm really getting the feeling that players are massively overreacting.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Mar 21, 2012
JonahFalcon
The ending felt like EA forced BioWare to wrap the game up due to a looming release date. How would Levine feel about THAT?
By unsilviu (SI Core) on Mar 21, 2012
unsilviu
SirRoderick: That's what I thought. THEN I finished the game...
By nocutius (SI Elite) on Mar 21, 2012
nocutius
Still trying to wriggle their way out of this one.
Bioware has now produced two big failures in a row, DA2 and ME3. All the trust they had gained over the years has almost dissapeared, they are still a bit above the average but not by much anymore.

EA, in the process of ruining yet another great studio TM.
By djole381 (SI Elite) on Mar 21, 2012
djole381
@SirRoderick
ME3 ending sucks big time. All those decisions you made in the past don't mean anything. All the alliances and stuff you did don't make a difference. In the end all you get are three choices on how to end it all and all three are pretty much the same.
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Mar 21, 2012
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Well first of all - art is something that is out of the control of the artist anyway - as soon as it is released, the viewers will judge it, analyze it and draw their own conclusions. In this case - the art obviously sucked in many's opinion.

Secondly - it is not that the ending is that bad in it self - it is that so many feel lied to and that the ned should depend on your actions. In many peoples opinion it doesn't matter diddly squat what you do - you get one ending more or less.

So more people than me seem to finally had enough of the BW propaganda BS that they spread. If they had shut up about saves meaning anything and that you could have a huge impact and game style really matter - none would have commented much.

"Barnett said. “Just as J.K. Rowling can end her books and say that is the end of Harry Potter. I don’t think she should be forced to make another one.”" - no but Rowling didn't go out and say that if you read the book in different orders - the last book would change its ending - right? Or did she - are there multiple endings in her book? STOOPID

I don't argue the ending - I'm not there yet myself - but I do argue that the developers and people like Barnett lies and are being stupid and when faced with the consequences of their ill begotten lies have to actually stand for their PR - they whine... I understand that people are pissed. Rightfully so.

If Barnett bought a car and they promised all kind of things - but no matter how he steered and travelled - he always ended up in Doncaster and there someone would say that a car is art - Doncaster is the arts statement - would he say - wow cool - you changed the entire concept but I'm cool with that...

Stupid analogues - sorry for that people...
By nocutius (SI Elite) on Mar 21, 2012
nocutius
You get to choose a few intersections but you ALWAYS end up on the same spot, a great analogue actually FoolWolf.
By unsilviu (SI Core) on Mar 21, 2012
unsilviu
Mass Effect 3 is NOT a piece of shit :P Actually, it's the best damn RPG I've ever played, aside from KotOR, ME1, Witcher 2 and DA:O. The story is amazing, you have truly emotional moments, I felt like I was going to cry at times. The reason for both the DLC fiasco and the bad ending is, I think, EA's rush to get this game out before the end of the fiscal quarter. Javik may have been a late idea they had no time to fully implement before the game went to certification, hence the model of the DLC squadmate in the retail game. And it has been proven that the ending sequence was cut and pasted together on the fly.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Mar 22, 2012
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unsilviu: Some moments in ME3 are the most touching, awe-inspiring, devastating, heartbreaking, heartwarming I've seen in sci-fi, let alone videogames.

Unfortunately, the ending takes a huge dump on it.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Mar 22, 2012
herodotus
There are persistent rumnours that new endings are either planned for a patch or future DLC. Honestly don't know how BioWare (losing fans both in "ME" and "TOR" at present) can roide this storm. First "Dragon Age II", now this.
As for me, I am just tryting to power through "ME 1" as I'm not overly enjoying it. There are far too many dialogue branches that slow the pace to a crawl when there is supposed to be a sense of urgency. Shepard's voice is also driving me nuts. My Renegade points far exceeded Paragon, so I loaded an old save. I was a'raging'!
By PapVogel (SI Member) on Mar 22, 2012
PapVogel
I really don't understand why everyone judges a game by its ending.

I loved mass effect 3, I loved to see how my actions in the previous games had an impact on the decisions I had to make in ME3. Particularly the Tali/Legion scene touched me.

The ending was well a bit meh, but I didn't have any expectations like most people apparently had, well except for the fact that Shepard would die like bioware had promised me.

Problem is that people didn't get the ending that THEY wanted, so in my humble opinion people should judge the game by the game, not by its ending.
By djole381 (SI Elite) on Mar 22, 2012
djole381
Bioware has caved in under pressure :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17458208
By unsilviu (SI Core) on Mar 22, 2012
unsilviu
@PapVogel It's not that people didn't get the ending they wanted. That would be really stupid, no one expects an writer to conform to their own wishes and ideas, what set people off was the plot-holish nature of said ending. I was ready to experience the awesome ending BioWare had cooked for us, with no preconceptions. All I did expect was for it to not suck.
By PapVogel (SI Member) on Mar 22, 2012
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@unsilviu

I don't agree with you, granted, bioware had another ending in store for us, but some dimwit leaked it forcing them to change it to what we got. However, plotholes as you call em, I've roamed the bioware forums, I've read some of the "omgz bad ending" threads, and those plotholes they mention are not plotholes, it's just their way of justifying their rage against the ending.

Anyways, I loved the game, and im eagerly awaiting any DLC they come up with, I just hope they dont cave in to the few (and yes I mean few, millions have bought the game, thousands have raged) that have raged over the endings. Bioware should stand by their product.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Mar 22, 2012
herodotus
I read that on FaceBook yesterday, djole but thought there might have been a change of minds. I'm disappointed BioWare have caved to pressure, for if they truly believe in the ending then they would have stuck to their guns. As it looks now, BioWare is doing a rapid damage control action, sending their "red haired child" into the bathroom to colour it's hair. In other words they knew it was a dog of an ending, and have not backed the developers and writers who obviously did believe in it.
All round disappointment for fans, writers and devs alike. Well, at least it wasn't "Mass Dragon Age III".
How many novels have been returned to the author, after publication with a note saying "Make the ending better"? I can count them on one hand.
By herodotus (SI Herodotus) on Mar 22, 2012
herodotus
Yahtzee put it well when he said (and I paraphrase) the ending is not so much a "bang" or a whimper but more like when you let the air out of a balloon as it farts it's way around the room. I think he actually quite liked it, weirdo that he is.
By unsilviu (SI Core) on Mar 23, 2012
unsilviu
@PapVogel I don't know what arguments you saw, but there are plot holes. I won't spoil people here, but https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/preview?pli=1&sle=true

this is a nice collection of some plot holes for light reading.

There was also the fact that Bioware outright lied, saying there'd be 16 different endings, that they didn't want to make you choose A, B or C(in the end, it was red, green or blue).

@herodotus Yeah, when he doesn't bash a game very passionately it usually means he liked it, but I think he's also not very invested in the franchise, which is usually the case when you have only 4 days to finish a game.