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Gamers signing petition to get The Division on PC hits 100K strong
Posted: 24.06.2013 05:30 by Comments: 30
Ubisoft unveiled the newest Tom Clancy-licensed third person tactical shooter The Division at E3 2013, depicting the aftermath of a devastating pandemic striking New York City. The game puts the player in the role of a government peacekeeping agency known only as The Division, which desperately is trying to keep order as society collapses.

The gameplay trailer at E3 2013 excited players, but to the frustration of PC gamers, only an Xbox One and PlayStation 4 version had been announced. In response, a petition went up over a week ago urging Ubisoft Massive to develop a PC version of the game.

That petition now has over 100K signatures.

A similar petition encouraged Capcom to make a special PC version of Dark Souls. Will this petition get a PC version in the works? Stay tuned.

Comments

By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Damn it guys don`t you see you`re being fooled into advertising the game for Ubisoft? This isn`t Dark Souls where originaly there was no desire to port it to pc,ubisoft will likely port this game to pc regardless of whether or not we advertise it. *Sigh* thanks for,again,showing the big companies that gamers are sheep that don`t think.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
And this is a problem because...?

Thing is, you're insulting PC gamers. They know what they want. They saw the extended demo at E3 2013 and said, "We want it." And they don't care if Ubisoft is making them sign a petition and getting publicity for the game for PC fans. In fact, they're willing partners in it.
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Read my last statement again Jonah.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
You've failed to convince me that helping a publisher raise interest for a game you want to see on the platform you want is a bad thing.

And just so you know, Ubisoft didn't start on a PC version because they don't think it'll sell. Enough people saying "We'll buy it!" will change their mind.
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Ubi told pc games they "might" get the division on pc and pretty much every game ubisoft did in the past few years did get ported to pc so in my eyes they just want free advertising.

Why is this wrong? Because it shows the big companies that we`re just idiots that will eat any shite they throw at us,they are the ones that should invest time and money to make their game look good,not us.

Watch this from 09:44 to 14:27,he explains it perfectly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUuCXcFr0s

Jonah a lot of pc gamers are idiots,remember Aliens Colonial Marines? One day before the game was out people pre-ordered the cr*p out of it and got screwed when they saw what garbage it was just because they would not wait one more day,not only that but it continued to be a steam top-seller for weeks even though every review classified the game as do not touch.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
The logical fallacies in your argument are too numerous to mention, not to mention saying the people who put their names in the petition are "sheep".

No one is forcing anyone to buy the game, nor is there a price to pay to put the names on the petition. Free advertising for something they want to see happen? Oh noes!
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Jonah i`m saying this petition is unnecessary and please tell me what are the logical fallacies in my argument.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
No. It's not unnecessary. And even if it were, I fail to see the point.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
SirRoderick
And THAT, Jonah, is how you lose an argument. Blanket statement that the opponent is illogical and refusing to explain why :)
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Thank you SirRoderick.

I`m trying to explain my point of view here Jonah but you just burry your head in the sand,i find your logic to be quite lacking.
By Smithy9999 (SI Veteran Newbie) on Jun 24, 2013
Smithy9999
They said the game 'might' get published on PC. Ubisoft would decide whether to port to PC based on whether they think it will turn a big enough profit, after all that is why Ubisoft, EA, Activision, etc. were really founded.

Seeing a petition shows them that a lot of people want the game. More people want the product, the more sales and that means the bigger the profit. Businesses tend to be more focused on their bottom line than on making consumers happy. So you want a game, you have to show the company that they can make a profit from it. I agree that this was most likely a stunt but not for advertising, more testing the waters and get some information on whether it will be a profitable venture. Probably works better than a survey done by marketing firm and much cheaper too.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
SirRoderick
Entirely marketing I think personally, it's Ubisoft, I cannot remember the last time they didn't port something like this to PC.

That said there's hardly any harm in it.
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
I know this is a publicity stunt because Ubisoft is the one who told pc gamers to do petitions and the such,if they were interested in porting the game to pc but were not sure they would have told us just that,instead they told us to spread the word and we`ll get the game.

Ubi you are a big name company,you have the money to advertise your own bloody game,this is blatantly making the consumers tell people about their game and not paying them for it,you should pay the people that advertise your sh*it you cheap bloody wankers.
By Smithy9999 (SI Veteran Newbie) on Jun 24, 2013
Smithy9999
Good point SirRoderick.

We as gamers should probably should be more concerned about whether if (or when) it is ported will it be a good port (i.e. a real PC version) or a shoddy quick cash grab like far too many games before. (Fingers crossed for the former)
By Smithy9999 (SI Veteran Newbie) on Jun 24, 2013
Smithy9999
dan, what would you do in their position, free advertising or pay for it. You have to keep them stockholders happy and much more importantly line your pocket with as much cash as possible before retiring on a massive retirement fund.

Companies have done this before and for one brief moment of seriousness getting people to sign a petition is gonna give you much better feedback on whether its going to be profitable than some marketing execs. They probably don't know the first thing about gaming, or reality for that matter, sat around a table discussing ideas and looking at surveys taken with a sample size half that of the petition which was passed to people outside the target market anyway.
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Smithy,Ubi has the money to do the advertising themselves,not doing it means they are cheap a-holes and this move really hurts their already tarnished reputation,they can`t afford any more stuff like this.How they keep their stockholders happy is not my problem,we are the consumers,it is US who they should keep happy because we are the ones that buy their games,if we are happy the money keeps flowing and the stockholders are happy as well.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
SirRoderick
Good business on their end with no damage to the consumer, sounds like a perfectly reasonable arrangement to me!

As long as they don't use this as an excuse to produce a sub-par PC version
By Smithy9999 (SI Veteran Newbie) on Jun 24, 2013
Smithy9999
dan, I agree with you they are cheap, wouldn't expect anything less from a large company. But at least this episode shows the PC gamers are willing to do something to get what they want even if it plays into their greedy cash suction hands.
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
We showed that we are willing to do something to get what we want with Dark Souls,i signed that petition and kept checking in on the forums of the petition till i heard that DS was being ported,ubi saw this and has unfortunately decided to capitalize on our desire to get good games for pc,if we allow this to work other companies will use this tactic as well and we cannot have that.
By Smithy9999 (SI Veteran Newbie) on Jun 24, 2013
Smithy9999
But that would mean that other companies will have to come up with their own ideas and that could end very very badly for us.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
But according to dan, we're just "sheep" and shouldn't say anything. My point is, "WHO CARES?"

Dan doesn't want a symbiotic relationship between gamers and publishers.

You know what happens then, Dan? All you have is Call of Duty 12: This Time It's On The Moon or something.

Again, you working from the point of view that:

1) Gamers don't know they're helping advertise a game. They do. And you still haven't said why that's BAD.
2) Publishers would release a PC version. This is not an indie game. This is a multimillion dollar game, and face facts: AAA games don't sell on PC anywhere near as well on console.

If reassuring a publisher there's a market for a game that you want to see makes you a sheep, then "Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa". How do you think Kickstarter and other crowdfunding works?
By JustCommunication (SI Core) on Jun 24, 2013
JustCommunication
Massive Entertainment did World in Conflict, doncha know. I liked that game... I wonder if they'll ever make a return to the Strategy genre.

But yeah, this game would make me want to get a PS4 I think, and if it comes to PC too, well, excellent. I reckon there's some deal or contract that's preventing them talking about other platforms at the moment.

Or it could possibly be a tech issue... even though the PS4 is supposed to be easier to develop for, they've still been working on a game for one specific system set. They've probably not even thought about working on a port or anything yet for the numerous PC permutations.
By Smithy9999 (SI Veteran Newbie) on Jun 24, 2013
Smithy9999
So which is better? Be a sheep and let publishers know what we want or fight the machine and let marketing departments dictate what we want.

I for one say 'baa'

If enough of us say 'baa' they might just see a business opportunity.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
JustCommunication: You're wrong, actually. The Xbox One is easier to develop for. That's why Sunset Overdrive is an Xbox One title, according to Insomniac.

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/23521/insomniac-credits-xbox-ones-quick-production-cycle-for-exclusivity

And there's a reason for that: Xbox One is DirectX-based. Same as PC.

All devs said that it was easiER to develop for the PS4 than the PS3. You know why? It has the same processor as the Xbox One.

@Smithy: The sheep also bleated at Microsoft to stop the internet requirements on the Xbox One.
By SirRoderick (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
SirRoderick
Sometimes I wonder if you get free stuff from Microsoft Jonah x3

But hey, free speech and all that
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
Jonah i have stated why this is bad many times,you simply refuse to see that.Symbiotic relationship between gamers and publishers?You do know that,generally speaking, the developers are the ones making the game and the ones that decide for which platform they are releasing right?

The call of duty 12 thing? People have been complaining about CoD for years now and nothing has been done,acti simply does not care.

AAA games don`t sell as much on PC as console ones? What games are you referring to? And have you added the digital sales to those numbers?

Kickstarter is severely different than this,the people who try to get their games kickstarted NEED the money to finish or even start it and reward the people who give them said money,ubi can do the advertisement themselves and do not reward the people that do it for them.
By JonahFalcon (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
JonahFalcon
My answer is simple: I signed the petition even though I'm not sure which platform I'll get it for. I suggest everyone sign it.

And check out the gameplay video. Can't wait. First time I've been excited for a Tom Clancy game since Rainbow Six.
By danfreeman (SI Elite) on Jun 24, 2013
danfreeman
And you have now lost this argument twice now,congratulations.
By Hammerjinx (SI Core) on Jun 25, 2013
Hammerjinx
Putting your name down on a petition for something you want is harmless. Even if it's a done deal, it's harmless. Even if yours is the only name on that list, it's harmless. Even if they already have 100 million sigs and nothing you say or do could possibly make a difference, there's no harm.

It's about risk vs reward. The potential for reward can be almost nonexistent if the risk is essentially that you wasted 30 seconds adding your name to something.

In this particular example it's possible that Ubi are yanking your chain and saying "Oh noes! Maybe there will never be a PC version! Better jump up and down like good trained monkeys if you want our candy!" I would not put it past them. But guess what? If the community at large is like "Fuck you Ubi! You can keep your rancid candy! I jump for nothing!!" well, guess what? They're going to see that as a lack of interest and cancel any plans they may have had to port to PC.

Considering the ease of porting between XBox and PC (esp when most games don't even give you the basic courtesy of changing tute info from "Press LB1 to zoom") the cost of having a PC port is small. Most of it goes on testing and shipping. I'd think putting up a PC port would be a no brainer for every game that looks like it'll ship ok.

I don't think it's bad to help a game drum up a following. If there's a game I'm excited about, I tell my friends. I like it when a bunch of us are playing the same thing, or watching the same show, and we can talk about it. Showing enthusiasm is laudable, and if doing so saves a big corporation a wad in advertising then so what? Just means they have more money to make games and take risks.

Talking about the argument itself, good golly. Blanket statements are a poor method of arguing. Just deciding that your opponent has lost is ludicrous. Losing depends entirely on the goals. If your opponent seeks to bring you to their point of view they can only lose by making you leave the argument unconvinced, or by giving up. If their goal is to convince a third party watching the debate then you have no basis for declaring a winner.

I don't think anyone here is convinced of the evils of voicing enthusiasm, even if it's only in response to a feint by a heartless megacorp. Again, what is it that you stand to lose by doing so? Even if you're 100% certain it will come out on PC anyway, it hurts you not at all to say that you're in favour of that. If there's no risk, the reward is almost irrelevant.
By FoolWolf (SI Elite) on Jun 25, 2013
FoolWolf
I agree with danfreeman here regarding the publicity stunt - they will most likely use this to fuel a fire that is already burning. To petition it? WEell, if you do it because you buy the "lies" around it - you are a sheeple. If you know it is a lie, but thinks - sure I'll do that cause I really want that game - you are a sheeple by choice - welcome to the human race...

Part from that - in the last weeks I feel that there have been an absurd level of protectionism going on about developers this or developers that.
They want our money and we have all rights in the world to be sceptical of them since hey, so far - all scepticism has turned out to be closer to the truth than being a fan-boi. IMHO.